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The "Irredeemable" Children

At what point does any young man or woman become "beyond saving?" At what point does a society decide to give up? And at what point, if ever, can you possibly decide that that child deserves to die -- by your hand?

If early reports can be believed, a 37-year-old Highland Park man apparently came to this tragic conclusion about his own 15-year-old son Monday afternoon, when he walked the boy naked into a vacant lot and shot him execution-style in the back of the head.

When I first read the news, I shuddered and turned from my computer. Then I began railing to the Wife about the depths that people in this town are sinking to. Then, long hours later, I began to realize that, in Detroit and many other big cities and small towns, this isn't really new or rare. Yes, a father turning a gun on his child is unspeakable and, thankfully, still uncommon. But not unlike that Highland Park man, we declare children unsalvageable all the time. We may not kill them, but we certainly do walk them out of our schools, out of our homes, out of our lives, and we cut them loose, declaring them no longer fit to be focal points of our social resources or human effort or societal concern. "We can't save them all," we declare. And these days, that seems truer, and sadder, than ever.

Talk to a good public-school teacher in this town, or a good cop or social worker, and you'll eventually hear them speak about the conditions facing some of the worst-off of our children, how insurmountable the challenges can often be to even the "good" kids. These professionals know they are going to lose a good number of the children they try to work with, to violence, to drugs, to hellholes meant to pass for family homes. They know some children simply cannot or will not be redeemed. They don't say this with any measure of satisfaction or happiness either, but with a weariness and resignation offset only by their continued determination to "save those we can."

Yes, I think we can do more, in Detroit, in Michigan and in America. We can pump more money into our school systems and root out forces that hamper those systems' abilities to serve our children. We can enact more policies that will stimulate growth, to enable working parents to better care for their kids. We can create and join more social programs aimed at tutoring, mentoring and otherwise working to shield young people from the kudzu-like creep of bloodshed and bad influences.

But the painful truth is,"we can't save them all."

There are those whom we will not be able to turn into productive citizens, whom we cannot rescue, whom we will throw up our hands over and declare irredeemable. We're dealing with this very issue in Michigan now as we debate questions like how long we should jail young criminals. And in a place where resources are scarce and growing ever scarcer, how can you reasonably tell those tasked with using those resources to educate and protect your children that they have to also expend them on young men and women who would as likely shoot you as look at you? Who think school a waste? Who are already hardened veterans of the city's violent dope trade?

You save whom you can always, be they knuckleheads or prodigies. I know plenty of people who have become incredible adults after struggling through wayward childhoods.

Even so, how can stressed, overburdened institutions like our schools and youth centers and social-services networks not avoid having to cut their losses?

And please don't think I'm accusing Detroit or other cities of "cutting losses" in the way that the father from Highland Park allegedly disposed of his boy. What that man is accused of doing is as savage and inexcusable as it is shocking and perplexing. I don't know -- or care -- what "reason" he might offer for why his own flesh and blood was, to him, no longer worth allowing to live a moment more. However you slice it, if he killed his son, he's a monster.

But the rest of us also give up on kids in our own ways -- and, again, may not always have another choice. Perhaps our communities don't move as fast as he did. And perhaps we don't act with the same level of sick, inhumane violence. But like that man, we eventually do look at some of our children, turn them from our institutions and decide that they aren't worth -- or that we can't afford -- the effort anymore.

And in our own way, we leave them to whatever may come, death included.

A father who'd do that is clearly wrong. But what of the rest of us?

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  • 1

    No Child should ever be killed by a parent, but you are right it does happen. I am sick over it. When I look into my child's eyes I see all the strength in the world looking back at me. No matter the fuss he gives me, I could never take his life. He is the future of the world as all children are. We need to educate them not execute them, or ignore their needs.

    The father should be treated as he treated his child. Dragged naked to a parking lot and executed.

    Disgusting behavior for a father. I'm sick over it.

  • 2

    Terrible account, from the depths of human depravity.

    Add to your list the pre-born children, who have never had the chance to live--whether it be for financial, social or personal reasons.

    None of these are only political issues.

  • 3

    I do not see the linkage between the insanity and depravity of a killer and the indictment of all of us..

    This is a leap yet such broad and blanket indictments are vogue whenever the crime event is insane like this one..I often never observe pudnits and others make positive inferences for all of us when the event is a postitive one..

    Tried spin really at end of the day..

  • 5

    You claim the story hurt so bad yet you continue to reference it and you of course ignore my post in which I find issue with your indictment of all of us becuase of the depravity and insanity of one person...

    I find my opinon as straight forward as the other two perspectives..of course I do not post to appease nor pander to readiness....

  • 6

    I did not mean for it to be veiled. The account you wrote about is a terrifying one, and so is the taking of any young life. This one shocks us, and rightly so. The others that should shock us as much, we have become hardened to, and so the value of all life suffers because of it.

  • 7

    This is a tragic story but only one of a thousand to be told about the oppression of the children of Detroit.

    No child is irredeemable but the community must have the have a "what ever takes" mentality.

    You talk about the over burdened teachers, police officers and social workers but they are over burdened only 8 hours a day. When there time is up they flee to the burbs. There in lays the problem. Citizens who should be leaders in the community are not part of the community but carpaet baggers who come in and take Detroiters taxes and leave everything else behind.

    If they will want to make a real impact, move back to Brightmoor, Osborn, Cody/Rogue or the Northend and be a neighbor. Many of us have done just that, moved to the worst neighborhoods and work with the under resourced families to provide leadership that is the catylst for life and community transformation.

    • 7.1

      Hey jeff, good to see you defending personal responsiblities of citizens. Detroit is the mess it is in because most positive role models have left the city pursuing the American dream. I agree with Jeff, quit blaming the government or "society", move back, seek some like minded people and start doing something about it.

  • 8

    I'm surprised that no one is mentioning why he killed his son. Everyone is so shocked and saddened by what the father did, but no one is shocked and saddened that this teenager was "inappropriately touching" a toddler?

  • 9

    I am sadden by any allegations of child sexual abuse yet that does not allow anyone the basis or excuse to kill a human being...

    Of course all across america we haveobserved tragic events of parents killings thier children, wives and then they commit suicide..

    This region is no different..Depravity is in the air everywhere on the planet.

  • 10

    I'm not saying that gives the father an excuse to kill his son. I was just remarking on the fact that no one was mentioning the "why", only the "what".

  • 11

    @DD,

    Why did you delete and censor my posts!!! My thoughts about your comments are are mirror image of yours with regard to my posts Yet you did not delete your comments!!

    Again Why did you delete my comments?? What intellectual courage did that take? I have no problem with taking in the slings and arrows of fortune and the words and opinions of those who do not share my views .

    Please let me know now is this how you handle your business . I will not post here if my honest and candid voice is subject to defensive posturing and offensive arbitrary censorship not based upon merit or substance but how you feellin...

    Again just let me know I will not lose sleep over it and I can always share my opinions in other orbits...

  • 12

    What horror! We have surrendered our children to a world full or relentless images of violence and degradation. We are living the consequences.

  • 13

    We? I and many others have not placed our children in peril nor into the world of violence and degradation..

    Why most some people take one evil event and indict entire communties with it??

    The only consequences we are living are those we seek to be a part of...Enough already of collective guilt and blame...I am not responsible for the insanity of insane folks...My plate does not have space for that guilt trip...

    • 13.1

      Everything in the world is interdependent - bad as well as good. We are all responsible, that's why we need to do our best and avoid doing harm every day. Every ill word we speak, every piece of trash we walk by without picking up, every bit of positive interaction offered, especially to our children - it all contributes one way or another. We get back what we give.
      --
      Here's a challenge: Do something wonderful for somebody every day - help push someone's car into the gas station if they run out of fuel, help a neighbor bag or rake leaves (or shovel snow later), spend five or fifteen minutes picking up trash on the street or in the park, hold the door for the people in front of or behind you, get an item off a tall shelf in the grocery store for someone who can't reach it - anything positive, no matter how minor it seems, can make a difference.
      --
      "To some extent, we all have this idea that nearly everything is someone else's job. Someone else makes the laws, mows the lawn, or runs the soup kitchen. Rather than simply pick up the wrapper, we wonder, Where's the damn janitor? If we're this woman, we miss half a day to anger. That's if we're lucky.

      Some of us miss our whole lives."

      http://tinyurl.com/yl5jeqm - read at least the November 2007 and December 2007 entries

  • 15

    @DD,

    I hear ya but I am not retreating nor surrendering to Time's censorship... They are cowards and hypocrites..They come into the D with all kinds of claims seeking to understand, explore and gain knowledge and then when reality breaks out they get corporate

    Fuck EM...I do not bend over for anyone..

  • 16

    @ DD,

    I cannot recall all of my post text..I do recall only a portion wherein I compared racial relations and the history of race in our country as a BIG BEN Clock wherein for 23 hours and 45 minutes under the stewardship of white folks it has been a cluster fuck and I have 15 minutes to fix it before the new day..

    Perhaps that s what triggered thier cowardly censorship..As I noted earlier FUCK EM...

  • 18

    @DD,

    Some of my comments have been deleted I do not care at this point by who..again at end of the day they were deleted..

    With regard to the tread at hand I have already laid out my core points..I have major issues with indicting entire communities whenever some insane event is caused by one person...

    I will continue to object to blanket pathological indictments of Black folks 24/7

  • 19

    We really do not need more money in the school system. We need the idiots who have babies, never get married or easily get divorced to knock it off. There are plenty of poor places on this earth that do not act like the citizens of Detroit. Now, how to get people to act like decent members of society? Who knows. But since there is so much crime in Detroit, the state has to spend 20% of budget on prisons. Maybe there would be more money for education and infrastructure if so many Detroiter's were not criminally inclined.

    Safety first, then jobs will follow. Ironic the killing Father wanted the kid to be responsible. Now , we have to pay for his incarceration for the rest of his life. Good job Dad, very responsible. The rest of us appreciate you sucking up our tax dollars.

  • 20

    There are many of venues in this region ( not Detroit) where husbands have killed thier entire familes, where husbands have cut up thier wives, where teens have decapitated people..Crime is not just a Detroit issue nor is the evil of these crimes always in Detroit!!!

    There are more criminals in our state outside of Detroit than inside Detroit.!!!! SImple Truth

    Most of money our state spends on corrections is for drug offense crimes and most Black folks are in jail for drug offense crimes!! Legalize Drugs less crime and costs for all taxpayers

    The most expensive and costly criminals in our nation are white males . The most lethal are also white males i.e McVeigh, serial killers, domestic abuse husbands etc..

    Please enough of the myth and fiction about crime in our nation!!!

  • 21

    Nonsense gthrasher. Detroit is almost all African American and has a murder rate 13.5 times higher than NYC. Failure to admit what is so keeps any solutions from being implemented.

    The number of homicides was 368 for 2008, for a rate 40.7 per 100,000 residents. While this represents a significant decline in the murder rate from 2007, it still ranks Detroit as the Murder Capital of cities with more than 500,000 residents.

    For the entire state, thee total population of 10,003,422, the murder rate was 542. Or 5.4 per 100,000. In other words, Detroit, a city of 850,000 has 368 of the 542 murders. When Detroit is factored out of the mix, Michigan would have a rate of 1.90 per 100,000. This would be in the lowest 3 or 4 state in the nation. We would be right up there with Hawaii, Utah and Wyoming.

    As of 2008 the population of Caucasians made up 79.6% of the Michigan population, Black or African American at 14.2%, Hispanic or Latino at 4.1%, American Native at 0.6%, Asian at 2.4%, Hawaiian or other is less than 0.1%.

    The problem in addition to the murders themselves, is the denial that the rates are the same across all ethnic groups. Since there is not the courage to admit what the facts are, the problem will continue.

    Why keep arguing about what is demonstrably true? Just look at the lack of opportunity, business and employment and you can see for yourself why the city is in the shape it is in.

    Reason #1 above all else is Crime and Murder.

  • 22

    @ John,

    Nonsense and your data is fictional..Crime data reported to FBI is survey data which means people provide the data it is not collected by independent sources..

    White on White crime is leading the index in white cities in America from Salt Lake , UT to Spokane, WA..

    Fact remains the most violent crimes are committed by white males as an aggregate as well as indivual crimes..The most expensive and destructive crimes are commited by white males from corporate embezzlement to occupational killings..

    White males commit more spousal abuse and sexual perversion than any other aggregate in our nation. White males lead the pack in drung offenses, treason, incest, and of course white collar crimes i.e Madeoff etc..

    The denial about white crimes continues to harm or nation from kids who are attacked by priests to internet porn industry ( 100% operated by white males)

    Detroit's decay has nothing to do with the hue of its citizens..

  • 23

    It's not about the hue if it's citizens, It would be the same statement if Detroit was 95% Swedes. Or any other race for that matter.

    I got the numbers from the FBI and Justice dept site, which of course you do not accept. If you do not believe the FBI or Justice dept, then you win all arguments, because no source of data will ever be good enough for you. The truth is, Detroit has more murder that NYC, which has ten times the population.
    Exclamation points do not change that.

    Sorry, just look at the business climate, drop out rate, overall crime, number in prison and the facts are inescapable.

    You can deny all you want, but just drive the city and take a look at the environment, then do the same in Salt Lake or Spokane. I have been to both and the comparison is ludicrous.

    Are we talking about white collar crimes? No. We are talking about what ails Detroit. Should white collar crimes be apologized away? No. Do I make excuses for Madoff based on race? No. Am I saying African Americans are inherently criminal? No.

    Bottom line, from the Justice Dept. ...542 Murders in MI, 368 in Detroit. There is a reason it has been known as Murder Capital of the World for the last 40 years. And the reason is not because the data is false.

    I am saying unless you stop the crime where it happens, business will not operate there.

    And the proof my friend, is in the pudding. Just open your eyes. You can keep making the assertion, but the fact is, if what you are saying is true and it is just as safe there as everywhere else, business would go there.

    Deny Deny Deny, where has that gotten Detroit in the last 40 years?

    BTW, the prisons in Michigan are not even close to being occupied by the racial percentages of the citizens here, but I guess you do not believe that either. Perhaps it is just the total unfairness and corruption of all our courts and all police that is the problem. I do not think anyone really believes that.
    .

  • 24

    @john,

    Your flawed criminal analysis serves what end...Fact is the majority of people white or black do not commit crimes..Fact is the majority of victims of most homocides or violent crimes know thier perp..Fact is random crimes or stranger danger is very remote ..Fact is your need to demonize an entire city and community becuase of the criminal actions of a few is sad and tragic on so many levels..

    Your willingness to indict and blanket an entire venue for the crimes of a few is exactly what has created such a racial divide and negative protrayal of the city for decades..

    Yet when one dares to question your flawed analysis and shallow criminal inferences all you do is deflect, deflect, deflect and then deny, deny, deny ..

    It is negative folks like you that have buried the city, it is driveby propaganda and disinformation sponges like you that have contaminated and polluted the futures and realities of good people in the city who do not deserve your flawed and false indictments of entire communties becuase of the crimnal behavior of a minority..

    Truth is at end of the day peope like you are as lethal and dangerous and destructive with your knee jerk simple minded beliefs that harm the city and it's prospects..

    Your need to criminalize an entire city reveals how empty a person you are and folks like you deserved to be corrected ..Your ignorance and willingness to accept negative dogma. propaganda and disinformation is truly sad..

  • 25

    No child is irredeemable. But children need functioning fathers in their lives. Fathers who model good work ethics, faithfulness to their families, loyalty and respect to their wives, an interest in doing more in life than making money and pursuing pleasure, fathers who model honesty and integrity. We need to encourage fathers to step up to the plate. We need substitute fathers to model these qualities where fathers are missing. This cannot be paid for with government money, this requires people to give of them selves and help the young men in this city to become the men that their creator intended them to be. Be a big brother, mentor, foster or adopt, do whatever you can do, don't rely on government to do it for you.

  • 26

    Gt,

    Once again, no flaws in the data. Murder is murder. It happens where it happens. The perps are the perps. No one is making it up, not me, not drive by analysis, not the media. The figures are from the Justice Dept. If you think they are wrong, why don't you write a well researched book and challenge them? Perhaps a class action suit against all the terrible lies the FBI and Justice are saying about Detroit, when in fact it really is a super safe economic oasis!

    Rev Jackson says it, Cosby says it and anyone with an ounce of common sense says it, there is a ton of black on black murder and it causes a terrible environment to conduct business.

    If what I was saying was false, there would be jobs, grocery stores and activity, instead of burned out houses, drug gangs and fear in the city.

    First, you have to start with what is so, but since you seem to think Detroit is just fine as is, what is the problem? Why is UE 35 to 50%?

    Oh yeah, "the others", "the disinformation", "the whites", "the suburbs", "corporate America", "European aggression" ....that's the ticket.

    BTW, I am not demonizing Detroit, I am trying to get folks like you to take responsibility for the city, instead of making worn out excuses for plain old bad behavior, regardless of who is doing it.

    In a nutshell, crime causes poverty, not the other way around. This is what I believe. Obviously you do not.

    Good Luck solving the poverty issue in Detroit.

    Maybe in another 50 years you will see the light.

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